Hanover Chapel – Stockport

The city, however, does not tell its past, but contains it like the lines of a hand, written in the corners of the streets, the gratings of the windows, the banisters of the steps, the antennae of the lightning rods, the poles of the flags, every segment marked in turn with scratches, indentations, scrolls.

Italo Calvino – Invisible Cities

Paul Dobraszczyk posted this Shirley Baker photograph, he was puzzled by its exact location, it puzzled me too.

For nearly all that is depicted here, is now no longer extant, save one hopes, for the group of playmates.

All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

Manifesto of the Communist Party

Shirley Baker was a renowned documentary photographer, who worked extensively in Greater Manchester.

I love the immediacy of unposed, spontaneous photographs and the ability of the camera to capture the serious, the funny, the sublime and the ridiculous. Despite the many wonderful pictures of the great and famous, I feel that less formal, quotidian images can often convey more of the life and spirit of the time.

I am grateful to Stephen Bann who has identified the monument as the Bann Family vault:

Stephen Bann and his younger brother – many thanks for the text and photograph Stephen.

Her photograph was taken in Stockport 1967 – I first assumed it was taken from St Mary’s Church, looking toward the former power station.

I was mistaken.

Using the Stockport Image Archive, I found the possible site, in this photograph of Tiviot Dale Station.

There on the eastern edge of Lancashire Hill – Hanover Chapel.

Seen here on the maps of 1917 and 1936.

An area of intense activity, road, rail, housing and infrastructure.

Hanover Chapel closed 1962 – though we may assume from Shirley Baker’s photograph, that following its demolition the graveyard remained intact but untended.

The chapel is thought be seen in the 1954 film Hobson’s Choice, directed by David Lean and starring John Mills, here awaiting his bride to be – the parish church of St Mary’s on the skyline.

Though closer examination reveals that this is not Hanover Chapel – where did those pillars come from?

Where are we, in a labyrinth of invention with a superimposed Stockport backdrop?

My thanks to Robert Collister for these observations.

Improbably out of time, the cooling towers are yet to be built, or blown up.

Here John is joined by Salford born Brenda Doreen Mignon de Banzie, playing Maggie.

The demolished chapel rubble appears in the foreground of Albert Finney’s gold Roller CB 1E in Charlie Bubbles.

The film’s screenplay was the work of Shelagh Delaney, whose previous work A Taste of Honey also used local locations.

Where Finney has pulled up, feeling proper poorly.

As a serendipitous symmetry, Charlie Bubbles co-star Liza Minelli plays a photographer recording Salford’s disappearing streets.

Bit by bit everything disappears, Tiviot Dale Station closed completely on January 2nd 1967.

Where once there was a continuous run from the chapel to the town centre, the motorway has since intervened.

The Tiviot Dale pub on the right is no more, closed in 2013.

We had people from all parts of the country turn up on our final day, some of them brought their children who wanted to come because they remember the pub so fondly from their childhood. It was really humbling to see that our pub had touched so many lives.

Dave Walker landlord.

The King’s Head/Full Shilling on the left closed in 2015, though still standing.

I remember this pub as a Boddingtons house in the 1970’s. Excellent bitter served by handpump from small vault at the front and a larger “best room” behind, both very narrow given the width of the pub. The landlord employed an unusual method of ensuring everyone got a full pint; a half pint glass of beer was kept between the pumps and your pint was topped up from the half which was constantly replenished to keep it fresh. I have not seen this practice in any other pub.

Phil Moran

When’s the next tram due?

Millgate Power Station operated until 1976.

At the adjacent gas works – gas holder number three was dismantled in 1988, gas holders one and two were removed in 2019.

The nature of infrastructure, housing and industry has changed radically.

Lancashire Hill flats were built in the 60s, designed by City Architect JS Rank, two seven storey blocks containing 150 dwellings; two six storey blocks containing 120 dwellings.

Replacing tight rows of terraced housing.

They themselves clad and revamped.

The Nicholson’s Arms built to serve the flats closed and currently empty, signs say to let – replaced an earlier pub, sited on the corner of long gone Nicholson Street.

The Motorway appears piecemeal in 1974, formerly the M63 now M60.

Today from the road there’s simply no trace of the site’s past purpose.

At the centre of what is now a compact civic grassed area – a trough.

Incongruously in memory of Elizabeth Hyde of Tufnell Park Road London.

The dense stand of trees is impenetrable – no longer a view of the non existent power station and beyond.

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, the repairer of the breach, the restorer of paths to dwell in.

Isiah 58:12

As a footnote I did meet brothers Stephen, Derek and Peter who appeared in this Shirley Baker photograph 55 years ago – she promised them an ice cream each – they never ever received an ice cream.

They are seen in Sunnyside Street Ordsall – long since demolished.

A commemorative plaque from the Chapel still exists, sited now on the wall of Wycliffe Congregational Church Georges Road Stockport.

Archival Images – Stockport Image Archive

9 thoughts on “Hanover Chapel – Stockport

  1. What a fascinating inside of the recent history of places now gone that are still within living memory. The coming buildings, :e life of people living and working in the area. Is it better now? Not sure. Thankyou.

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  2. The photo from hobsons choice is not taken from handover it was filmed on a set with a backdrop photo of stockport used. The church in the film pic is nothing like the front of handover Chapel and the grave stones are different. It is still uncertain where the actual picture from the film was taken

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      1. Your Shirley Baker photo fascinated me because the tomb in view is certainly the Bann vault, constructed for the family by Samuel Bann (1802-1879), a builder who also supposedly built the Produce Hall (the original building) in Stockport Market Place. The Bann family had been quarrying and selling stone from Rainow near Bollington since the 17th century. My father – whose grandfather was the great-nephew of Samuel Bann – was born in 1902 and took me with my brother to see the vault around 1960. I can easily send a copy of the photo which he took on that occasion. Incidentally my father’s family were not Congregationalists but worshipped at the new church of St Thomas. My father left Stockport just second the Second World War to become Town Clerk of Stockport, and from 1945 to 1968 was Town Clerk of Huddersfield.
        Professor Stephen Bann CBE FBA FSA

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  3. Really enjoyed this one . It’s amazing how much tiviot dale has changed . On a personal note Shirley baker took a photo of me in Mersey way in the early 80s. I only found out this recently as it was on display in a gallery .

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  4. The wide shot of the Church from Hobsons Choice, featured above, is two moving images stitched together. One image of the church and graveyard in the foreground and Stockport in the background. The join appears to run along where the gravestones end above the large stone urn. If you watch the DVD you can see movement between the two separate images. So the background of Stockport is a moving image not a photo. How this was achieved back in 1954 I’m not sure, nowadays with computers images can be stitched together seamlessly. There is a website called Reelstreets which documents the ‘Then’ & ‘Now’ of film locations. Images are are sent in of how a location looks today (Although not always accurate!) Hobson’s Choice is featured and the Church has been identified by one person as St Phillips on Bank St in Salford. Initially it looks very similar but on a closer inspection , the church in the film has only two columns and St Phillips six! So in my opinion this is not the church in the film. Another person says that the church is Hanover Chapel on Lancashire Hill but as Robert Collister says above the church in the film looks nothing like the front of Hanover Chapel. The Church and graveyard could be a set, if so, they are very convincing. Views across Stockport feature 3 or 4 times in the film. So the identity of the Church is still a bit of a mystery.

    https://www.reelstreets.com/films/hobsons-choice/

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